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Two English words, three Mongolian forms
An English speaker handles the whole business of places with two prepositions. You go to the market, you live in the city, you come from the airport, and the only real decision is between to and from. Mongolian cuts the same ground into three, and the cut falls in a place English has no word for: the journey towards somewhere is marked differently from simply being somewhere.
| What you mean | Mongolian marks it with | English |
|---|---|---|
| Moving towards a place | руу or рүү after the noun | to, towards |
| Being at a place, nothing moving | the dative-locative ending –д or –т | to, in, at |
| Coming from a place | the ablative ending –аас and its three partners | from |
The two endings each have a page of their own in this guide, The Mongolian Dative-Locative and The Mongolian Ablative, and this page does not repeat how either of them is built. What it does is the sorting, because the sorting is the part English speakers get wrong, and getting it wrong is audible: it produces sentences that are understood but sound as though you had said you live towards the city.
The form itself
It is a short word placed after the noun, not a prefix and not a preposition. Where English says towards the river, Mongolian says river towards.
Үнэг гол руу явсан.
fox river towards go-PAST
"The fox went to the river."
Тэр цонх руу чулуу шидсэн.
he window towards stone throw-PAST
"He threw a stone at the window."
Би үүл рүү харж байна.
I cloud towards look-CONV be-PRES-FUT
"I am looking at the clouds."
Notice the third example. The method's own sentences put this form with verbs of real movement, явах (to go, to leave) and гүйх (to run), but also with actions that are merely aimed somewhere: throwing a stone, looking at a cloud. That is worth holding on to, because it tells you what the form really encodes. It is not motion as such. It is a direction, a line pointing away from the speaker towards a target, and the English translation of it slides around — to, towards, at, or nothing at all.
Two forms, and a variant in л-
There are two harmonic forms. руу goes after a word whose vowels belong to the а, о, у class; рүү goes after a word whose vowels belong to the э, ө, ү class. That is the whole of the harmony here, and the general rule behind it is on the page Mongolian Vowel Harmony: The Rule.
| Noun | Meaning | With the direction form |
|---|---|---|
| гол | river | гол руу |
| цонх | window | цонх руу |
| зах | market | зах руу |
| хот | city, town | хот руу |
| Орос | Russia | Орос руу |
| үүл | cloud | үүл рүү |
| хөдөө | countryside | хөдөө рүү |
| ээж | mother | ээж рүү |
| гэр | ger, home | гэр лүү |
The last row is the exception, and it is the one place where published descriptions tend to mislead. Each of the two forms has a variant beginning with л- instead of р-, and the method's single example of it is a noun that already ends in р: гэр gives гэр лүүгээ. Two r-sounds in a row are awkward to say, which is the likely reason for the л-, but the method does not state it as a rule and neither will this page.
You will sometimes see this described as four harmonic forms, as though руу, рүү, луу and лүү were a set of four like the ablative endings. They are not. There are two forms chosen by vowel harmony, each with an л- variant chosen by the consonant in front of it. The method does not spell out when the л- variant is obligatory, and this page will not invent a rule it does not have: learn гэр лүүгээ as it stands, and expect to meet the л- forms after other stems in р.
Is it a case, or a postposition?
The method raises the question itself and declines to answer it, which is the honest thing to do. For some linguists this is an eighth case, standing alongside the seven that nouns decline for. For others it is a postposition: an invariable little word placed behind the noun, in the same family as тухай (about) and дараа (after), which have their own page here, Mongolian Postpositions.
The hesitation shows up in the spelling. The method most often writes it separated from the noun by a space, as all the examples above do, but it warns you not to be surprised to find it written joined on, exactly like a case suffix. Both spellings are in circulation.
There is a second argument on the suffix side, and it is a strong one: this word can itself take a suffix. ээж рүүгээ and гэр лүүгээ both end in a syllable that adds the sense of one's own — his own mother, my own home. Only something suffix-like attracts further suffixes.
Тэр ээж рүүгээ гүйж явсан.
he mother towards-REFL run-CONV go-PAST
"He ran to his mother."
Гэр лүүгээ явъя.
home towards-REFL go-IMP
"Let's go home."
That final syllable is the reflexive possessive, and it is a mechanism in its own right, used far beyond this form; the page The Reflexive Possessive is where it is explained. For the question at hand, the practical answer is that nothing depends on the label. Whether you file it as a case or as a postposition, you use it the same way, and nobody will stop you in the street to ask.
Where it stands in the sentence
The group goes in front of the verb, and the verb closes the sentence. These are the method's own sentences, and between them they cover most of what a traveller needs to say about going somewhere.
Бид маргааш өглөө зах руу явна.
we tomorrow morning market towards go-PRES-FUT
"We will go to the market tomorrow morning."
- Бид онгоцоор Монгол руу явна. (We will fly to Mongolia — literally, go to Mongolia by plane.)
- Би түүнтэй хөдөө рүү явж байна. (I am going to the countryside with him.)
- Би Монголын дараа Орос руу явмаар байна. (After Mongolia I want to go to Russia.)
- Хот руу явах автобусанд суух цаг боллоо. (It is time to get on the bus that goes into town.)
The last one repays a second look. Хот руу явах is not the main clause at all: it is a whole little phrase, the bus that goes into town, sitting in front of автобус and describing it. Mongolian puts that kind of description before the noun rather than after it, which is the subject of the page Mongolian Participles. The direction group is perfectly at home inside it.
The form also sits happily with a collective invitation, where the verb carries a suffix meaning all of us together: Гол руу хамт явцгаая! (Let's all go to the river together!) and Нэг цагийн дараа зах руу хамт явцгаая! (Let's go to the market together in an hour!). That verb suffix is explained on the page about the collective, not here.
The sort that costs the most
Here is the real difficulty, and it is not the harmony. Two very common verbs of going, очих (to go, to visit) and явах (to go, to leave), usually take their destination in the dative-locative, not in the direction form.
- Бид нар музейд очсон. (We visited the museum.)
Compare that with Бид маргааш өглөө зах руу явна. and you can see that Mongolian is not choosing between right and wrong. It is choosing between two things to say. The dative-locative treats the place as the endpoint: the museum is where we ended up, and what matters is that we were there. The direction form treats the place as the heading: the market is which way we are pointed, and what matters is the going. English flattens both into to and gives you no way to tell them apart, which is why this has to be learned as a decision rather than as a translation.
A rough working rule, good enough to speak with: if you could replace to with into or as far as, reach for the direction form; if you could replace it with at or in, reach for the dative-locative. And if the verb is очих, follow the method and use the dative-locative.
A whole journey in one sentence
Put the ablative and the direction form in the same sentence and you have drawn a line from one point to another. This is the question to have ready when you walk out of an airport:
Ямар автобус онгоцны буудлаас хот руу явдгийг хэлж өгнө үү?
which bus airport-ABL city towards go-HAB-ACC say-CONV give-PRES-FUT Q
"Could you tell me which bus goes from the airport into town?"
онгоцны буудлаас is the starting point, in the ablative; хот руу is the destination. The two never compete, because they answer different questions, and a sentence can carry both at once without any sense of crowding. The ablative's own page covers what else that ending does, including the Mongolian way of saying bigger than.
Note the үү at the end of that question, next to the ямар at its beginning. The үү belongs to the polite request хэлж өгнө үү, not to ямар, which is shut inside the clause in –ийг: the rule that a question word calls for бэ or вэ holds of the clause the question word stands in, and it is set out on the page on question particles.
Asking which way
To ask about a direction, the direction word follows the question word just as it follows any noun: Тэр юу руу чулуу шидсэн бэ? (What did he throw a stone at?). For plain where are you going, though, Mongolian has a dedicated word and does not use this form at all: Чи хаашаа явах вэ? The matching word for over there in that direction is тийшээ, as in Ямар автомашинаар тийшээ явж болохыг зааж өгнө үү? (Could you show me what vehicle one can get there with?). Those two words belong to the page Mongolian Question Words along with the rest of the family, and they are mentioned here only so that you do not try to build them out of this form. Notice in passing that шидсэн бэ and зааж өгнө үү close their sentences differently although a question word stands in both. In the second, ямар is shut inside the clause in –ыг and the үү closes the polite request, which is answered yes or no: the rule that a question word calls for бэ or вэ holds of the clause the question word stands in.
Where this page stops
Three boundaries, and all three matter. How the dative-locative is formed, and everything else it does — recipients, needing, liking — is on The Mongolian Dative-Locative. How the ablative is formed, and its use for comparison, is on The Mongolian Ablative. And the syllable that turns гэр лүү into гэр лүүгээ is on The Reflexive Possessive. What this page owns is the choice between the three, and the plain fact that English gave you only two words to make it with.
Exercises: which of the three?
Every question asks you to sort between movement towards, place without movement, and coming from.
- The place where nothing moves is marked by ___.
- Coming from a place is marked by ___.
- Complete: Бид маргааш өглөө ___ явна. (We will go to the market tomorrow morning.)
- Үнэг гол руу явсан. means ___.
- In Ямар автобус онгоцны буудлаас хот руу явдгийг хэлж өгнө үү?, the destination is ___.
- In the same sentence, the starting point is ___.
- With the verb очих, the destination usually takes ___.
- Бид нар музейд очсон. means ___.
- In Би түүнтэй хөдөө рүү явж байна., хөдөө рүү is ___.
- Би Монголын дараа Орос руу явмаар байна. means ___.
- In Хот руу явах автобусанд суух цаг боллоо., хот руу tells you ___.
- The group with руу stands ___.
Exercises: the forms, and the eighth-case question
Choose the form the vowels of the noun call for, and check what the method actually claims.
- Towards the river is ___.
- Complete: Би үүл ___ харж байна. (I am looking at the clouds.)
- Towards the countryside is ___.
- Towards Russia is ___.
- How many harmonic forms does this word have? ___
- After гэр, the method's example shows ___.
- Гэр лүүгээ явъя. means ___.
- In Тэр ээж рүүгээ гүйж явсан., the ending –гээ adds ___.
- Does the method settle whether this is an eighth case? ___
- The method most often writes this word ___.
- Тэр юу руу чулуу шидсэн бэ? means ___.
- Which word does the method use for where to? ___
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- The Mongolian Cyrillic Alphabet: All 35 Letters
- Mongolian Vowels: Seven Short, Seven Long, and the Diphthongs
- Mongolian Consonants and the Letters That Change Sound
- Why Spoken Mongolian Does Not Sound Like the Spelling
- Where the Stress Falls, and Why Long Vowels Matter
- Mongol Bichig: The Vertical Script, and When You Need It
- The Seven Mongolian Cases: Overview and Table
- Choosing the Right Case Ending: A Decision Tree
- The Mongolian Nominative: The Case With No Ending
- The Mongolian Genitive: Saying "of" Before the Noun
- The Mongolian Dative-Locative: One Ending for "to" and "in"
- The Mongolian Accusative: Marking the Direct Object
- The Mongolian Ablative: "from" and "than"
- The Mongolian Instrumental: By, With, and In a Language
- The Mongolian Comitative: The Other "with"
- Saying "to" a Place: руу, рүү and the Eighth Case Question
- The Reflexive Possessive: номоо, найзтайгаа
- All Seven Cases on One Page: The Reference Table
- Mongolian Has No "a" and No "the": What Does the Work Instead
- Mongolian Personal Pronouns and Possessives
- энэ and тэр: Mongolian Demonstratives and the т- Series
- The Mongolian Plural, and When Not to Mark It
- Mongolian Numbers and How They Behave Before a Noun
- Mongolian Adjectives: No Agreement, Comparison, Superlative
- Mongolian Postpositions and the Case Each One Takes
- Building New Words: The Mongolian Derivational Suffixes
- Mongolian Names, and How to Address Someone
- Mongolian Verbs: Stem, Suffix, and No Person Agreement
- Mongolian Verb Forms: The Complete Reference Table
- Present and Future: –на, –ж байна and –даг
- The Mongolian Past: –сан, –лаа, –в, –жээ
- Mongolian Participles: The Relative Clause Before the Noun
- Mongolian Converbs: Linking Clauses Without "and", "if", "after"
- The Mongolian Conditional: –бал, –вэл and "if"
- Causative, Passive and Cooperative Verbs in Mongolian
- –цгаа: The Suffix That Says "all of us, together"
- Mongolian Imperatives: Six Degrees of Asking
- Can, Must, Want, Like: Mongolian Without Modal Verbs
- Saying What You Want and What You Need: –маар, хүсэх, хэрэгтэй
- There Is No Verb "To Like": дуртай and хайртай
- Sentences With Two Verbs: How Mongolian Chains Actions
- байна: "To Be", "There Is", and Having No Verb for "To Have"
- Mongolian Word Order: The Verb Goes Last
- Saying No in Mongolian: үгүй, биш, байхгүй, –гүй, битгий
- Mongolian Question Particles: уу, үү, бэ, вэ
- Mongolian Question Words: хэн, юу, хаана, хэзээ
- How to Answer Yes and No in Mongolian
- Complex Sentences in Mongolian: гэж and Nominalised Clauses
- Saying When: Mongolian Time Expressions and Their Cases